Bill Mason
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| 04/03/2009 9:26 PM |
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I have a complaint about the OWS series. Are you really going to make us wait a month for the next videos? 
Paul, you did a wonderful job and I want to thank Lee for bringing Paul in to do this. OWS and Listx before it are both terrific products that have been held back by terrible and mostly non-existent documentation. I had given up on OWS when I saw they had not done a better job with the docs than they did for Listx but Paul may be dragging me back in.
I always enjoy the DNNCreative issue each month but I am really looking forward to the next few issues.
Thanks,
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hahnsolo123
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| 04/04/2009 1:23 PM |
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i totally agree. The tutorial wasnt a good start example to do anything. that tutorial was already done on ows website.
We need another to get past the hurdle where we are all stuck
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Bill Mason
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| 04/04/2009 11:27 PM |
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I guess I was trying too hard to be cute and wasn't real clear. I really enjoyed the tutorial and found it very helpful. I am very much looking forward to the upcoming videos on OWS. Thanks to both Paul and Lee for this series.
Bill
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Scriptmonkey
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| 04/06/2009 3:47 PM |
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Learning OWS here as well.
I think OWS can be a little confusing because of the interface. While you have this great Ribbon Control it doesn't intuitively reflect where one will spend most of one's time when creating an OWS module. ...And that's unfortunate.
The names on the Toolbar tabs improperly represent what they are for. "Tools" really represents a place to view a repository of the changes and revisions one has made to one's project. "About" seems to be some kind of scanty list of Actions and Tokens. The fact that changing tabs doesn't change the content pane makes it very confusing as well.
It's important to remember that this is the first version, and the engine underneath the interface is pretty impressive. Because it's Open Source, one can reasonably expect improvements to continually be made. But personally I'm not going to let that stop me from learning the interface they currently do offer for using the OWS engine. Time spent learning OWS is well spent, and although future development might make it a whole lot easier for new users, the way it works now does let one do some impressive things. ...I'm willing to put up with a little kludginess in the interface.
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Lee Sykes
DNN Creative Staff
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Bill Mason
Nuke Newbie
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| 04/06/2009 10:32 PM |
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Ok. I promise I will never try to be clever in one of my posts again. Lee, I know it takes a month and I didn't really expect any faster turnaround. I was trying (unsuccessfully) to say I enjoyed it and didn't want to wait a whole month for the next installment. Please keep up the good work and just ignore me. |
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hahnsolo123
Nuke Active Member
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| 04/07/2009 9:13 PM |
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Ahh im sorry lee i was under the impression he had it already done and your holding onto it for future issue which isnt bad business but leaves us in limbo. I totally understand
I am totally excited about you guys covering this platform
Maybe you could hook us up when they are done early before you publish them.
Also can paul post us some samples somewhere to look at? |
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Lee Sykes
DNN Creative Staff
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David
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| 04/23/2009 2:58 PM |
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Aging Safely has developed a significant ListX application and my company relies on it. R2i's transition from ListX to OWS has left me somewhat confused. I agree with the previous comments on Bi4ce and R2i's poor documentation. I have always thought them providing Webster's Dictionary as documentation when the customers wanted a book on Creative Writing for Dummies.
That said, Paul has been the mainstay of the ListX forum and been more help that anyone else. He provided the best examples, and usually the most responsive of the forum members. I am GLAD to have him documenting OWS.
While I will have to wait until May for the next installment, I'll bet it will be great.
Needless to say, I have to do somthing about all of my ListX code. I don't want to wait until someone finds a security hole in DNN 4.x that forces me to upgrade to a version of DNN that ListX is incompatable with.
I tried OWS a few months ago and there were several issues for me:
- There were few if any upgrade instructions.
- It interacted poorly with iFinity URL Provider and/or PageBlaster.
I also rely on them.
- OWS's documentation made ListX's look excessive ;=}
After watching these 3 video's I got a better feel for OWS. It looks like it might help with several major issues that ListX had:
- My application has one primary table, but I am required to have
4 or 5 different screens/modules to search & display it for different
users, or uses. This wouldn't be such a problem if I didn't have to
hand edit the variables etc. into each module. It appears that I could reuse
the code in OWS.
- With the complex quote-based IFF statements it is easy to really screw up
ListX code while making a minor fix. In ListX these is little error
checking and no easy way back.
The quick builder in OWS seemed nice. However, it doesn't create a search function in addition to the view, edit, and delete. Search appears to be the hardest one to create do, especually with checkboxes and a mix of data types and passing the request from the search module to the grid module. I hope Paul will talk about this.
I look forward to May 1 - only 12 days to go ;=}
I just looked at the OWS forums, and they still don't seem to have much activity. I hope that not everyone is waiting for someone else to make the first move, like I am.
Good article, Glad to see that Paul is onboard. I hope he does more that just the two sets of videos.
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Lee Sykes
DNN Creative Staff
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hahnsolo123
Nuke Active Member
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| 04/24/2009 9:05 AM |
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i cant wait til pauls next issue!!
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